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THE PASTORATE OF UPPER MEETING
MINISTERS OF SAFFRON WALDEN BAPTIST CHURCH
Part One 1760 - 1897
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Introduction
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Between pastorates the Church usually appointed a Moderator except when a second minister was already in office and during pastorates various retired Ministers in the congregation have helped supply the pulpit or conduct marriages and funerals or share in pastoral work.
Co-Ministers, those whose years overlap with each other were stipendery ministers.
Deputy ministers were usually retired ministers not usually paid but who would have been paid for leading worship on Sundays, deputising for marriages and funerals, or given a gift after a sustained period of service.
Chapter One.
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Joseph Gwennap Born 1730, died 1813.
Minister at Saffron Walden 1760 - 1782
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Rev Joseph Gwennap was we believe born in 1730 at Falmouth, in Cornwall where our first knowledge of him is on August 17th 1745 when his uncle Rev Andrew Gifford (the third of 3 generations of Andrew Gifford’s) conducted the funeral of his mother, Mrs. Gwennap, whose sister was Andrew’s wife. Joseph then went to live at Plymouth, his father was a sailor. He returned to Falmouth to live where his uncle John had married and had two daughters all of whom became founder members of Emmanual Baptist Church Falmouth.
Joseph married a young woman he called Hettie. surname Blaw.
at the Savoy Chapel in London in 1754
Andrew Gifford was the son and grandson of Baptist ministers of Bristol and had been educated at Tewkesbury Academy and Gresham College, and he had held assistant Pastorates at Nottingham and Bristol before becoming Minister of St Giles Church Little Wild Street Holborn in 1729.
A church whose founder John Piggott had been an elder of Westminster General Baptist Church whose minister in 1728, Joseph Eedes became Pastor of Hill Street General Baptist Church, Saffron Walden
Andrew Gifford left Little Wild Street Church in 1735 because certain people were offended by him having discovered some misconduct in his wild student days, long since repented by him.
As a result he left to form Eagle Street Baptist Church Holborn (Kingsgate) with a large number of Little Wild Street members. The actual sanctuary of one of it’s chapels later became the Council Chamber of the Baptist Union Council when it had it’s headquarters on that site before moving to Didcot in Oxfordshire.
Andrew was an unusual Baptist Minister and despised by a lot of other Ministers, who would not preach at his church or have association with him. He was a Fellow of the Society of antiquities and sub-curator of the British Museum.
He was on personal friendly terms with the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Lord chancellor, and the Speaker of the House of Commons. Andrew was a personal friend of his Majesty King George the Second to whom he was an expert on antiques and as a numismatist, the King buying most of his collection, which says something of it’s quality and his own. .
So he moved in circles that most Baptists did not. He became a freeman of the City of Edinburgh, and a Doctor of divinity at the Marischal College Aberdeen. At his death he bequeathed to Bristol Baptist College his collection of books and curios and the only known extant complete copy of William Tyndale’s New Testament
Joseph was converted through an experience in a cave at Falmouth in 1756. Joseph and Hettie who did not share his Baptist views, moved to London in 1758 and he became a member of Eagle Street
While a member of Eagle Street Church, Joseph Gwennap was set apart as a supply preacher and deputised there for his uncle. His uncle visited Saffron Walden in 1758 and visited Mistress Elizabeth Fuller of Myddlyton House, daughter of the late Thomas and Mary Fuller to advise her about a mantelpiece that her cousin James Raymond had given her. he had the land net to her, now Walden Place, then Hogg’s Green House. He demolished the old house to build the present one and did not need the mantelpiece.
As a result of their friendship Andrew and Elizabeth, Joseph Gwennap came to Walden as a supply preacher for Abbey Lane Independent Meeting church which was then pastor-less and at low ebb. We believe that he and the next 2 ministers of our Church lived in a house in Bridge Street opposite the entrance to horn lame, now Freshwell Street, lately use by Moore’s Coach operatives as an office.
In May 1760 Joseph preached 2 sermons on one Sunday at Abbey Lane and they particularly liked the second. He returned to London but was invited back for 2 months which was begun sometime around June or July,
After this he was invited to come and minister for a year from late autumn 1760 to same time 1761. Whether he then returned to live in London we are uncertain of as at one point he suggested he remained at Walden.
Whether Joseph remained at Walden during 1762-63 we are uncertain of. In one place it is suggested that he did but we cannot prove it.
In 1763 in April he was invited to become Pastor but he hesitated and sought advice of friends and was encouraged to accept when a further invitation came.
By Sept 16th 1761 Joseph had gathered together 26 like minded people who could subscribe to agree with the Confession he drew up and signed it and in January 1763 Deacon Lewis Andrews commenced formal minutes in the back of an older account book which became our 1st Minute book up to May 1775 and of which we have a photocopy it having appeared and later disappeared from the Town Archives in 1974.. .
In April 1763 a formal letter from 25 church members was sent to him and one from 50 subscribers inviting him to become their new pastor of Abbey lane independent Church. He hesitated and sought the advice of friends but was encouraged to accept.
It was another 15 months before he was inducted but first he had to be ordained as a minister and these two steps were taken in June 1764 by uncle Andrew Gifford who preached from 1 Timothy 4 v 16 “ Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.”
Uncle Andrew was back on April 10th 1767 to assist Joseph and his brother Minister Robert Robinson from Stoneyard Baptist Church Cambridge ( now St Andrew’s Street Baptist church) in the baptism of 46 candidates from their 2 churches in the river Granta, contributory to the River Cam, at Whittlesford Mill the home of Ebenezer Hollick, Lord of the Manor an oil merchant, one of whose son’s was a deacon of the Cambridge church, before a crowd of 1500 people some looking on from trees and windows, and from carriages and on horseback forming a circle on both sides of the river.
In July 1767 a Special Church meeting was called concerning “scandalous reports defaming the ministry and reproaching the Church” that were circulating. The church has asked for a copy of the 1694 Trust Deed and the Trustees of the building who were not Baptists fearing that the Church now dominated by Baptists would alter the deeds definitions, refused. The Church then suspended and later expelled two of it’s members who were Trustees
From then on the split widened, the birth pangs of the new Baptist Church to be born.
In March 1768 5 members, 6 trustees and 20 subscribers requested a Board of Enquiry be appointed of 4 Baptist and 4 Independent ministers to investigate the causes of their divisions.
The Church Meeting declined after seeking legal advice but offered a date, time and place when grievances against Pastor and Church could be voiced. Nobody turned up.
From then until Oct 2nd 1771 special days of prayer and fasting were held to seek ways of reconciliation and unity.
In November 1771 John Buck was suspended for his part in a letter sent to the ailing Gifford accusing Gwennap of immoral conduct and this appears to coincide with when Hettie left him
There is no further references in the Minutes to the divisions that split the Church which in any case involved a minority until out of the blue on the evening of Friday June 10th 1774 the Chapel Trustees met and voted Gwennap out of using the pulpit or building by 5 votes to 2 thereby expelling him., for some reason regarded as unbecoming a Christian leave alone a minister.
This occurred 3 years after Hettie left Joseph and was probably because of their distaste of his conduct in separation from, and divorce of, his wife; proceedings of which opened in a court in London in the April 1774 which she brought against him for throwing her out on the street in 1771. He claimed that Hettie was not legally married to him. That despite the fact they had 4 children two of whom survived. That we now know is correct because the year they married at the Savoy Chapel it was not legally registered for marriages and the clergyman who married them was not legally licensed to do so and that effected 500 marriages that year. Anyway in those days common law marriages were widely accepted. The case was concluded in November 1774 and Joseph was ordered to pay costs which he refused but later relented.
The Trustees whose sole responsibility was regarding care of the fabric and use of the building, were legally right to expel Joseph from their pulpit on the basis of allegations made against him.
News must have travelled fast, for 2 days later Sunday June 12th the Church members met in Elizabeth Fullers’ parlour at Myddlyton House, some 60 of them to decide their next move after worshipping for the first of 21 Lord’s Days in her Barn next to the house.
On June 23rd the Church bought an orchard on the corner of Bailey’s Lane and Cuckingstool End Street which had a row of cottages across it’s eastern end which were pulled down in 1813 to build a Manse, a residence for the minister. Elizabeth put up the purchase money £210 and £400 to pay for the erection of the Meeting House, and endowed the Minister and poor of the congregation, by her Will.
The foundation stone was laid on June 24th and the Church opened for worship on Nov 6th. This was the home of our Church for the next century.
Joseph was added to the list of Trustees of the new building and remained as pastor until 1782.
In May 1771 and again in 1774 Eagle street church had invited Joseph to return home to them, in London to be their pastor, or co-pastor with his ailing uncle and he had declined for domestic reasons, From 1774 - 1782 twenty five new members were added to Upper Meeting Baptist Church Saffron Walden.
Finally in 1782, Andrew Gifford’s co pastor Ebenezer Smith retired and Joseph was summoned back to London. . Whether Eagle Street Church retained him as co-pastor beyond 1782 or found another we do not know but Joseph became Minister of a Calvinistic Baptist Church in Piccadilly from 1783 - 1798 pioneered from Eagle Street in converted auction rooms. That Church dissolved in 1798.when most of the congregation left him when he appeared to adopt ideas about polygamy. Andrew Gifford died in 1784.Joseph apparently married again to another Elizabeth Fuller, the widow of John Fuller of Dunmow. Joseph died a wealthy man in 1813 survived by both his wives and his son Thomas, an artist. He was indeed a colourful character believed by some to have suffered from schizophrenia. He has in Australia a direct descendant Dr George Legge an atheist physicist.
Joseph died at Waltham near Deptford in 1813 aged 82, and his remains were buried in Bunhill Fields Nonconformist Cemetery in London. He left a Will which we have a copy of, which names his second wife and his sons.
MINISTERS OF SAFFRON WALDEN BAPTIST CHURCH
Part One 1760 - 1897
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Introduction
**********
Between pastorates the Church usually appointed a Moderator except when a second minister was already in office and during pastorates various retired Ministers in the congregation have helped supply the pulpit or conduct marriages and funerals or share in pastoral work.
Co-Ministers, those whose years overlap with each other were stipendery ministers.
Deputy ministers were usually retired ministers not usually paid but who would have been paid for leading worship on Sundays, deputising for marriages and funerals, or given a gift after a sustained period of service.
Chapter One.
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Joseph Gwennap Born 1730, died 1813.
Minister at Saffron Walden 1760 - 1782
*******************************
Rev Joseph Gwennap was we believe born in 1730 at Falmouth, in Cornwall where our first knowledge of him is on August 17th 1745 when his uncle Rev Andrew Gifford (the third of 3 generations of Andrew Gifford’s) conducted the funeral of his mother, Mrs. Gwennap, whose sister was Andrew’s wife. Joseph then went to live at Plymouth, his father was a sailor. He returned to Falmouth to live where his uncle John had married and had two daughters all of whom became founder members of Emmanual Baptist Church Falmouth.
Joseph married a young woman he called Hettie. surname Blaw.
at the Savoy Chapel in London in 1754
Andrew Gifford was the son and grandson of Baptist ministers of Bristol and had been educated at Tewkesbury Academy and Gresham College, and he had held assistant Pastorates at Nottingham and Bristol before becoming Minister of St Giles Church Little Wild Street Holborn in 1729.
A church whose founder John Piggott had been an elder of Westminster General Baptist Church whose minister in 1728, Joseph Eedes became Pastor of Hill Street General Baptist Church, Saffron Walden
Andrew Gifford left Little Wild Street Church in 1735 because certain people were offended by him having discovered some misconduct in his wild student days, long since repented by him.
As a result he left to form Eagle Street Baptist Church Holborn (Kingsgate) with a large number of Little Wild Street members. The actual sanctuary of one of it’s chapels later became the Council Chamber of the Baptist Union Council when it had it’s headquarters on that site before moving to Didcot in Oxfordshire.
Andrew was an unusual Baptist Minister and despised by a lot of other Ministers, who would not preach at his church or have association with him. He was a Fellow of the Society of antiquities and sub-curator of the British Museum.
He was on personal friendly terms with the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Lord chancellor, and the Speaker of the House of Commons. Andrew was a personal friend of his Majesty King George the Second to whom he was an expert on antiques and as a numismatist, the King buying most of his collection, which says something of it’s quality and his own. .
So he moved in circles that most Baptists did not. He became a freeman of the City of Edinburgh, and a Doctor of divinity at the Marischal College Aberdeen. At his death he bequeathed to Bristol Baptist College his collection of books and curios and the only known extant complete copy of William Tyndale’s New Testament
Joseph was converted through an experience in a cave at Falmouth in 1756. Joseph and Hettie who did not share his Baptist views, moved to London in 1758 and he became a member of Eagle Street
While a member of Eagle Street Church, Joseph Gwennap was set apart as a supply preacher and deputised there for his uncle. His uncle visited Saffron Walden in 1758 and visited Mistress Elizabeth Fuller of Myddlyton House, daughter of the late Thomas and Mary Fuller to advise her about a mantelpiece that her cousin James Raymond had given her. he had the land net to her, now Walden Place, then Hogg’s Green House. He demolished the old house to build the present one and did not need the mantelpiece.
As a result of their friendship Andrew and Elizabeth, Joseph Gwennap came to Walden as a supply preacher for Abbey Lane Independent Meeting church which was then pastor-less and at low ebb. We believe that he and the next 2 ministers of our Church lived in a house in Bridge Street opposite the entrance to horn lame, now Freshwell Street, lately use by Moore’s Coach operatives as an office.
In May 1760 Joseph preached 2 sermons on one Sunday at Abbey Lane and they particularly liked the second. He returned to London but was invited back for 2 months which was begun sometime around June or July,
After this he was invited to come and minister for a year from late autumn 1760 to same time 1761. Whether he then returned to live in London we are uncertain of as at one point he suggested he remained at Walden.
Whether Joseph remained at Walden during 1762-63 we are uncertain of. In one place it is suggested that he did but we cannot prove it.
In 1763 in April he was invited to become Pastor but he hesitated and sought advice of friends and was encouraged to accept when a further invitation came.
By Sept 16th 1761 Joseph had gathered together 26 like minded people who could subscribe to agree with the Confession he drew up and signed it and in January 1763 Deacon Lewis Andrews commenced formal minutes in the back of an older account book which became our 1st Minute book up to May 1775 and of which we have a photocopy it having appeared and later disappeared from the Town Archives in 1974.. .
In April 1763 a formal letter from 25 church members was sent to him and one from 50 subscribers inviting him to become their new pastor of Abbey lane independent Church. He hesitated and sought the advice of friends but was encouraged to accept.
It was another 15 months before he was inducted but first he had to be ordained as a minister and these two steps were taken in June 1764 by uncle Andrew Gifford who preached from 1 Timothy 4 v 16 “ Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.”
Uncle Andrew was back on April 10th 1767 to assist Joseph and his brother Minister Robert Robinson from Stoneyard Baptist Church Cambridge ( now St Andrew’s Street Baptist church) in the baptism of 46 candidates from their 2 churches in the river Granta, contributory to the River Cam, at Whittlesford Mill the home of Ebenezer Hollick, Lord of the Manor an oil merchant, one of whose son’s was a deacon of the Cambridge church, before a crowd of 1500 people some looking on from trees and windows, and from carriages and on horseback forming a circle on both sides of the river.
In July 1767 a Special Church meeting was called concerning “scandalous reports defaming the ministry and reproaching the Church” that were circulating. The church has asked for a copy of the 1694 Trust Deed and the Trustees of the building who were not Baptists fearing that the Church now dominated by Baptists would alter the deeds definitions, refused. The Church then suspended and later expelled two of it’s members who were Trustees
From then on the split widened, the birth pangs of the new Baptist Church to be born.
In March 1768 5 members, 6 trustees and 20 subscribers requested a Board of Enquiry be appointed of 4 Baptist and 4 Independent ministers to investigate the causes of their divisions.
The Church Meeting declined after seeking legal advice but offered a date, time and place when grievances against Pastor and Church could be voiced. Nobody turned up.
From then until Oct 2nd 1771 special days of prayer and fasting were held to seek ways of reconciliation and unity.
In November 1771 John Buck was suspended for his part in a letter sent to the ailing Gifford accusing Gwennap of immoral conduct and this appears to coincide with when Hettie left him
There is no further references in the Minutes to the divisions that split the Church which in any case involved a minority until out of the blue on the evening of Friday June 10th 1774 the Chapel Trustees met and voted Gwennap out of using the pulpit or building by 5 votes to 2 thereby expelling him., for some reason regarded as unbecoming a Christian leave alone a minister.
This occurred 3 years after Hettie left Joseph and was probably because of their distaste of his conduct in separation from, and divorce of, his wife; proceedings of which opened in a court in London in the April 1774 which she brought against him for throwing her out on the street in 1771. He claimed that Hettie was not legally married to him. That despite the fact they had 4 children two of whom survived. That we now know is correct because the year they married at the Savoy Chapel it was not legally registered for marriages and the clergyman who married them was not legally licensed to do so and that effected 500 marriages that year. Anyway in those days common law marriages were widely accepted. The case was concluded in November 1774 and Joseph was ordered to pay costs which he refused but later relented.
The Trustees whose sole responsibility was regarding care of the fabric and use of the building, were legally right to expel Joseph from their pulpit on the basis of allegations made against him.
News must have travelled fast, for 2 days later Sunday June 12th the Church members met in Elizabeth Fullers’ parlour at Myddlyton House, some 60 of them to decide their next move after worshipping for the first of 21 Lord’s Days in her Barn next to the house.
On June 23rd the Church bought an orchard on the corner of Bailey’s Lane and Cuckingstool End Street which had a row of cottages across it’s eastern end which were pulled down in 1813 to build a Manse, a residence for the minister. Elizabeth put up the purchase money £210 and £400 to pay for the erection of the Meeting House, and endowed the Minister and poor of the congregation, by her Will.
The foundation stone was laid on June 24th and the Church opened for worship on Nov 6th. This was the home of our Church for the next century.
Joseph was added to the list of Trustees of the new building and remained as pastor until 1782.
In May 1771 and again in 1774 Eagle street church had invited Joseph to return home to them, in London to be their pastor, or co-pastor with his ailing uncle and he had declined for domestic reasons, From 1774 - 1782 twenty five new members were added to Upper Meeting Baptist Church Saffron Walden.
Finally in 1782, Andrew Gifford’s co pastor Ebenezer Smith retired and Joseph was summoned back to London. . Whether Eagle Street Church retained him as co-pastor beyond 1782 or found another we do not know but Joseph became Minister of a Calvinistic Baptist Church in Piccadilly from 1783 - 1798 pioneered from Eagle Street in converted auction rooms. That Church dissolved in 1798.when most of the congregation left him when he appeared to adopt ideas about polygamy. Andrew Gifford died in 1784.Joseph apparently married again to another Elizabeth Fuller, the widow of John Fuller of Dunmow. Joseph died a wealthy man in 1813 survived by both his wives and his son Thomas, an artist. He was indeed a colourful character believed by some to have suffered from schizophrenia. He has in Australia a direct descendant Dr George Legge an atheist physicist.
Joseph died at Waltham near Deptford in 1813 aged 82, and his remains were buried in Bunhill Fields Nonconformist Cemetery in London. He left a Will which we have a copy of, which names his second wife and his sons.