Post by JEM on Aug 24, 2008 0:41:00 GMT
A SPIRITUAL HEALTH WARNING
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In reading Modern English Bibles we are advised that they are easily readable and will therefore help us to understand God the Father Almighty, God the Son Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit who teaches and sustains Christians. All three together are GOD.
But we really also need a copy of the Authorised Version Bible first published in 1611 but the Standard Edition is the 1762 Edition, based on the genuine manuscripts copied and passed down from earliest time from the Church of Antioch founded by Paul. We need this older translation to check and compare with, that verses or paragraphs are not missing in the modern English version.
The Christian Church from around AD 30 developed out from a number of city centres which had a Scriptorium where the hand written Scriptures were carefully copied.
These began as the Jewish Old Testament originally available in Hebrew..
After years of being ruled by their own kings the Jews suffered by being taking into slavery in Ninevah and Babylon. In this way 10 of the 12 tribes were lost and probably intermarried with other tribes of other nations. a remnant returned to populate Judea but eventually they were conquered by the Greeks and their followed a period if rebellion and independence until the country was taken over by the Romans
With Greek having become the main language of the region some of the Jewish scholars translated the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek .
Later the Christian churches added the letters of the Apostles Paul, Peter and John, and of James and Jude the brothers of Jesus, and the accounts of the life of Jesus Christ, called the Gospels, written down by the Apostles Matthew and John, by Luke the doctor of Paul and by the younger disciple Mark who recorded what Peter told him.
The First Church was in Jerusalem with other congregations throughout Judea and Galilee . The apostle James was arrested and executed quite early in the story of the Acts of the Apostles.
The leader of the Church in Jerusalem from that point until AD 62 when he was assassinated, was James the Righteous, the brother of Jesus.
He wrote the letter of James and it’s teaching has a different emphasis to that of Paul as it was directed towards Christian Jews.
Biblical Critics of the early 20th century claim that the letter was attributed to or dedicated to James, but written by someone else. They claim that the Gospels and some of the letters were not written by those to whom they are dedicated. Whether this can be proved is a matter of speculation as is much of 19th & 20th century Biblical criticism and the theological arguments that run alongside.
As James is written by a Jew it became suspect in the predominantly Greek speaking non-Jewish Church after the destruction of the Jewish homeland and dispersal of the Jews in the 2nd Century by the Romans in suppressing a revolt.
The Church of Antioch in Syria founded by the Apostle Paul is regarded as the First Church after Jerusalem and where the Christians of Jerusalem escaped to after 62AD just before their city fell to the Romans in AD70. From Antioch came the copies of the ancient manuscripts known as the Received Text guarded and handed down from earliest time, although some were lost and destroyed by the Romans many survived This Received Text or Byzantine Text was protected for a thousand years after the fall of Rome at the capital of the Eastern Roman empire, later called the Byzantine Empire, at Constantinople. When that was destroyed in the 15th century the sacred Scriptures were passed into Western Europe and were used by the Reformers of the Church
Centres of Christianity developed around various European, North African and Middle Eastern cities each with a Patriarch or Senior Bishop who would be responsible for the care of the bishops or pastors of individual congregations within their area, known as a See as they were overseers of the pastors.
As Rome was the centre of Government of the Roman Empire until Rome fell to the barbarians and the empire was divided into the Western Roman and Eastern Byzantine Empires, the Church of Rome in Italy usurped leadership of the Church and eventually dominated the whole of the Church in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, controlled by the bishop of Rome, eventually called the Pope. This monopoly continued for about 1200 years until the Reformation during which time the corrupted Latin Bible reigned supreme although it was based on inferior manuscripts.
Sunday the day for worship of the Roman Sun God replaced Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as the Christian Day of worship, and believers baptism by total immersion was replaced by infant baptism. Feasts and Fasts of the Church Year replaced the Festivals observed by the early Church of Passion at the Jewish Passover and of Pentecost and those who disagreed with Rome or defied them were killed.
The Church of Alexandria in Egypt the second most important city of the Roman Empire became misled by Greek Philosophy so that in the 2nd century it was a centre of Gnostic heresy and in the 4th century they embraced the heresy of Arianism, which at their Scriptorium may have effected their copying of the Greek Bible texts. This in turn would have effected the Latin Bible based on them and the English translation of that by John Wyclif, though God used that greatly to save many.
Following the Reformation through the 15h -17th centuries all translations of the Bible into English since 1525 until 1876 have been based on the so called Received Text, sometimes called the Byzantine Text, handed down from the Church at Antioch.
From some of those manuscripts. A small group of about 5, Erasmus prepared his Greek New Testament on which they were based but he translated into Classical Greek not the Common Greek used in the originals and copies of them.
Because of that reason the Reformation Bibles including the AV are inaccurate but yet God the Holy Spirit used them for successive generations who read them to convict people of their sins, and convert them to faith in Jesus Christ, and transform the lives of millions.
This was also true of the reading of the large hand copied Bibles of John Wycliffe translated by him of the already corrupt Latin popular version, the Vulgate.
All translations since 1881 have been based on a debased and corrupted Greek Text translation called the Neutral Text better described as the neutered text, that has used manuscripts from Alexandria in Egypt which were corrupted in the 4th century but had been lost for 14 centuries but following more recent archaeological discoveries the current Greek Text is Common Greek.
When the first Modern English versions developed in the 20th century they were used alongside the Authorised Version to broaden our understanding of words and were not intended to replace the AV, but they have now replaced the AV which is dangerous.
Gradually subtly Satan is destroying the Church from the inside from liberal theology, and maybe too corrupting the Scriptures. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many find and follow it. Narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there are who find it.
There is a New King James Version or Revised Authorised Version published in 1982 by Thomas Nelson Publishing in America that claims to be from the same manuscripts as the AV but this is not entirely true. It still uses the Alexandrine Text in places where the Received Text appears to be uncertain. It also makes other mistakes.
The 1881 Revised Version includes use of the Greek Neutral Text of 1853 prepared by Wescott and Hort, then modern Greek scholars at Cambridge University using the Alexandrian manuscrpts. They were Anglo-Catholics with a great dislike of the Evangelical wing of the Church of England. They were interested in the para-normal, ghosts etc, they dislked immensely the AV and the Free Churches. and they made diary entries indicating that they were determined that the Revision Committee would accept their text before they discovered too much about them. So really they were rather untrustworthy characters, though they rose high in the clergy of the Church of England.
The more recent English translations use an Elective Text drawn from a larger numver and wider range of manuscripts than were available in 1853 or 1881 as well as on the 4th century Alexandrine manuscripts.
One of those was in pristine condition because the Roman Church had switched from using Greek to using Latin. The other one was worn out from constant use with many deletions, passages cut out and alterations and parts if it are missing, These 2 manuscripts disagree with each other in many thousands of places, over 3000 times in the Gospels alone. Both are therefore unreliable.
The Church today needs a new Greek New Testament using only the Byzantine or Received Text manuscripts but set out in Common Greek not Classical Greek and then we need a word for word translation of that into Modern English.
Who will take up that challenge to replace the corrupt Bibles now in wide circulation if they really are corrupt. None of their criics seems keen.
Meanwhile the best we can do is read the AV and the better word for word translations of modern times side by side to discern which is the clearer English, but what it misses out from the original to get it as accurate to the original as possible.
The private translation of John Nelson Darby a Leader in America of the Plymouth Brethren, NEW TRANSLATION (NT in 1871 and OT in 1890 ) is also useful and does not use the Alexandrine manuscripts
JEM (C) 2008 Modified 2011
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In reading Modern English Bibles we are advised that they are easily readable and will therefore help us to understand God the Father Almighty, God the Son Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit who teaches and sustains Christians. All three together are GOD.
But we really also need a copy of the Authorised Version Bible first published in 1611 but the Standard Edition is the 1762 Edition, based on the genuine manuscripts copied and passed down from earliest time from the Church of Antioch founded by Paul. We need this older translation to check and compare with, that verses or paragraphs are not missing in the modern English version.
The Christian Church from around AD 30 developed out from a number of city centres which had a Scriptorium where the hand written Scriptures were carefully copied.
These began as the Jewish Old Testament originally available in Hebrew..
After years of being ruled by their own kings the Jews suffered by being taking into slavery in Ninevah and Babylon. In this way 10 of the 12 tribes were lost and probably intermarried with other tribes of other nations. a remnant returned to populate Judea but eventually they were conquered by the Greeks and their followed a period if rebellion and independence until the country was taken over by the Romans
With Greek having become the main language of the region some of the Jewish scholars translated the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek .
Later the Christian churches added the letters of the Apostles Paul, Peter and John, and of James and Jude the brothers of Jesus, and the accounts of the life of Jesus Christ, called the Gospels, written down by the Apostles Matthew and John, by Luke the doctor of Paul and by the younger disciple Mark who recorded what Peter told him.
The First Church was in Jerusalem with other congregations throughout Judea and Galilee . The apostle James was arrested and executed quite early in the story of the Acts of the Apostles.
The leader of the Church in Jerusalem from that point until AD 62 when he was assassinated, was James the Righteous, the brother of Jesus.
He wrote the letter of James and it’s teaching has a different emphasis to that of Paul as it was directed towards Christian Jews.
Biblical Critics of the early 20th century claim that the letter was attributed to or dedicated to James, but written by someone else. They claim that the Gospels and some of the letters were not written by those to whom they are dedicated. Whether this can be proved is a matter of speculation as is much of 19th & 20th century Biblical criticism and the theological arguments that run alongside.
As James is written by a Jew it became suspect in the predominantly Greek speaking non-Jewish Church after the destruction of the Jewish homeland and dispersal of the Jews in the 2nd Century by the Romans in suppressing a revolt.
The Church of Antioch in Syria founded by the Apostle Paul is regarded as the First Church after Jerusalem and where the Christians of Jerusalem escaped to after 62AD just before their city fell to the Romans in AD70. From Antioch came the copies of the ancient manuscripts known as the Received Text guarded and handed down from earliest time, although some were lost and destroyed by the Romans many survived This Received Text or Byzantine Text was protected for a thousand years after the fall of Rome at the capital of the Eastern Roman empire, later called the Byzantine Empire, at Constantinople. When that was destroyed in the 15th century the sacred Scriptures were passed into Western Europe and were used by the Reformers of the Church
Centres of Christianity developed around various European, North African and Middle Eastern cities each with a Patriarch or Senior Bishop who would be responsible for the care of the bishops or pastors of individual congregations within their area, known as a See as they were overseers of the pastors.
As Rome was the centre of Government of the Roman Empire until Rome fell to the barbarians and the empire was divided into the Western Roman and Eastern Byzantine Empires, the Church of Rome in Italy usurped leadership of the Church and eventually dominated the whole of the Church in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, controlled by the bishop of Rome, eventually called the Pope. This monopoly continued for about 1200 years until the Reformation during which time the corrupted Latin Bible reigned supreme although it was based on inferior manuscripts.
Sunday the day for worship of the Roman Sun God replaced Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as the Christian Day of worship, and believers baptism by total immersion was replaced by infant baptism. Feasts and Fasts of the Church Year replaced the Festivals observed by the early Church of Passion at the Jewish Passover and of Pentecost and those who disagreed with Rome or defied them were killed.
The Church of Alexandria in Egypt the second most important city of the Roman Empire became misled by Greek Philosophy so that in the 2nd century it was a centre of Gnostic heresy and in the 4th century they embraced the heresy of Arianism, which at their Scriptorium may have effected their copying of the Greek Bible texts. This in turn would have effected the Latin Bible based on them and the English translation of that by John Wyclif, though God used that greatly to save many.
Following the Reformation through the 15h -17th centuries all translations of the Bible into English since 1525 until 1876 have been based on the so called Received Text, sometimes called the Byzantine Text, handed down from the Church at Antioch.
From some of those manuscripts. A small group of about 5, Erasmus prepared his Greek New Testament on which they were based but he translated into Classical Greek not the Common Greek used in the originals and copies of them.
Because of that reason the Reformation Bibles including the AV are inaccurate but yet God the Holy Spirit used them for successive generations who read them to convict people of their sins, and convert them to faith in Jesus Christ, and transform the lives of millions.
This was also true of the reading of the large hand copied Bibles of John Wycliffe translated by him of the already corrupt Latin popular version, the Vulgate.
All translations since 1881 have been based on a debased and corrupted Greek Text translation called the Neutral Text better described as the neutered text, that has used manuscripts from Alexandria in Egypt which were corrupted in the 4th century but had been lost for 14 centuries but following more recent archaeological discoveries the current Greek Text is Common Greek.
When the first Modern English versions developed in the 20th century they were used alongside the Authorised Version to broaden our understanding of words and were not intended to replace the AV, but they have now replaced the AV which is dangerous.
Gradually subtly Satan is destroying the Church from the inside from liberal theology, and maybe too corrupting the Scriptures. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many find and follow it. Narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there are who find it.
There is a New King James Version or Revised Authorised Version published in 1982 by Thomas Nelson Publishing in America that claims to be from the same manuscripts as the AV but this is not entirely true. It still uses the Alexandrine Text in places where the Received Text appears to be uncertain. It also makes other mistakes.
The 1881 Revised Version includes use of the Greek Neutral Text of 1853 prepared by Wescott and Hort, then modern Greek scholars at Cambridge University using the Alexandrian manuscrpts. They were Anglo-Catholics with a great dislike of the Evangelical wing of the Church of England. They were interested in the para-normal, ghosts etc, they dislked immensely the AV and the Free Churches. and they made diary entries indicating that they were determined that the Revision Committee would accept their text before they discovered too much about them. So really they were rather untrustworthy characters, though they rose high in the clergy of the Church of England.
The more recent English translations use an Elective Text drawn from a larger numver and wider range of manuscripts than were available in 1853 or 1881 as well as on the 4th century Alexandrine manuscripts.
One of those was in pristine condition because the Roman Church had switched from using Greek to using Latin. The other one was worn out from constant use with many deletions, passages cut out and alterations and parts if it are missing, These 2 manuscripts disagree with each other in many thousands of places, over 3000 times in the Gospels alone. Both are therefore unreliable.
The Church today needs a new Greek New Testament using only the Byzantine or Received Text manuscripts but set out in Common Greek not Classical Greek and then we need a word for word translation of that into Modern English.
Who will take up that challenge to replace the corrupt Bibles now in wide circulation if they really are corrupt. None of their criics seems keen.
Meanwhile the best we can do is read the AV and the better word for word translations of modern times side by side to discern which is the clearer English, but what it misses out from the original to get it as accurate to the original as possible.
The private translation of John Nelson Darby a Leader in America of the Plymouth Brethren, NEW TRANSLATION (NT in 1871 and OT in 1890 ) is also useful and does not use the Alexandrine manuscripts
JEM (C) 2008 Modified 2011